Friday, March 28, 2025

Why You Should Fill Out Lineage Society Apps


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I know some of you are rolling your eyes at the title. Many of us have had poor interactions with societies. Some are just tea parties - they only want the members they currently have and enough new ones to do the grunt work, but those folks stand no chance of ever being fully accepted as an equal. Some societies are so picky that they require only direct evidence. Others will gladly take your money and fall apart, leaving you no connections to your interest area. I've even encountered downright rudeness, which is just unacceptable.

Still, you shouldn't lump them all together, and even if you don't SUBMIT the lineage society application, COMPLETING one will help you. Here's why...

*By following the society's process, you can spot holes in your research. You may think you have proven a relationship to a father and son, but do you have a document that states that? How solid is that document? Was it a county history written 300 years after the individuals died? Remember, the farther from an event, the more likely it is that memories will alter the events.

*Completing the application will also allow you to check for discrepancies in your research. I wish I had a buck for every wrongly engraved tombstone I've encountered. I value the death certificate higher than the tombstone but even those can contain errors. I don't think I've ever completed an application that had simple, perfect direct evidence.

*You are reminded about the documents you previously found that you may have forgotten about. I'm notorious for forgetting second marriages if I'm related to the first. When I go back to an individual and am reviewing all the info, I gain much more insight into the individual's life. I noticed that one of my husband's third great grandmothers emigrated with her four siblings to the U.S., leaving behind her widowed father, who died two years after the migration. Can't imagine how hard that must have been for the father - your wife is dead, and now all four of your children leave. Wow, just wow!

*Lineage societies want just the relationship and identify facts proven and typical, nothing else. This means you can readily check your accumulated documents to see if you have those records.

*Once you've completed the application, you have a nice set of documents that were sourced in a timeline for several generations of your family. This is the perfect time to write a narrative and include other items you have discovered. Got writer's block? Turn to AI and make sure you ask whichever you are using to include footnotes or endnotes. Now you've started writing that family genealogy book you always said you would do.

*If you do choose to submit your work, you are having new eyes look at it, and that's especially helpful. We all process information differently,y so having someone who isn't emotionally involved is helpful to validate what you've acquired.

*Another plus for submitting is that your hard-earned research is now safely at an archive or repository outside of your home. You're increasing the likelihood that your information will be available to future researchers. Who knows what the future might bring, and your information might be the only proof of an ancestor someday.

*You are memorializing folks that have been forgotten. This is especially true with woman who often just leave their first name, if that, in records. With an application for a pioneer society, I included photos of the church, worksites, and the home where a third great-grandmother once lived. I know that from church records, but I have no record of her birth/baptism or death/burial.

*If you are accepted, you might just find a new friend or colleague who shares an interest that you have for a particular region or time. I've met wonderful far removed relatives this way and value the connections we have because of a common ancestor.

*Last, you should give yourself a big pat on the back and be proud that all your hard work paid off. You made the discovery of your forefathers that you sought. They may not have been famous or even made choices that you would have, but you discovered information about people who were trying to make their way through this weird thing we call life so that someday, you could do the same.

Pretty neat!

And while ChatGPT created the graphic, it came up with a limerick to add:

To connect to your roots with some flair,
A form and some proof—show you care!
From laptop to scroll,
It’s a meaningful goal—
Your ancestors’ legacy laid bare.

Saturday, March 22, 2025

William Baines of Stangerwaite

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This is the fourth blog I've written about my Baines family research. Thousands of online family trees have the wrong pedigree. Today I'm focusing on the errors regarding Mathew's purported father, William Baines, based on the research that I discovered that provided a pedigree in court records and due to a church porch that was once bought and sold.

I am not convinced that William Baines of Stangerthwaite is the father of Mathew Baines of Wyersdale. I mentioned previously that I don't hold much credibility when someone is known to be of a particular place as people do relocate. Perhaps they are considered from a certain location as they lived there for the longest period in their life or sometimes, it is thought of the place they were born. It also could be where they died and was buried. So, it is possible to have a father associated with one location and a son with another. That's not my concern.

The distance between the two locations is about 25 miles. Stangerthwaite is located in the parish of Kirkby Lonsdale, now Cumbria but at the time Mathew and William resided there it was Lancastershire. Wyresdale remains located in Lancastershire. The distance is also possible. It was discovered that a William Baines did have a bastard child so it is feasible he left Stangerthwaite and moved to Wyresdale for a time and started a new life there but he was more likely the father of the William purported to be Mathew's father and not Mathew's father.

As with Mathew, no baptismal record for William was found. He has been mis-pedigreed to have a father named Adam due to someone who found a birth record for a William but the poster neglected to understand that "d. an infant" meant that the child had died as an infant. That Adam did not have another child he named William. Thousands of trees copied the wrong information and therefore, the wrong pedigree.

William has been recorded as marrying Deborah Hatton but no marriage record was provided. Online trees show Deborah Hatton, daughter of Thomas Eaton and Isabella Lathom Hatton to have died about 1650, with no sources. She could not have been the Deborah who married William Baines of interest as that Deborah was living in 1660. It is understandable how Deborah Hatton was identified as William Baines's wife as her father Thomas was purportedly buried in Goosnargh, Wyersdale, again, with no source.

There has been one document found showing William Baines, Dorothy Baines, and Mathew Baines all in the same location at the same time - an arrest of the men for attending a Quaker meeting in 1660 in Lancaster. Dorothy was often a nickname for Deborah. Unfortunately, no relationship was provided.

Mathew remained a Quaker as he later married in that faith to Margaret Hatton and had his five children baptized as Quakers. He died while emigrating to Bucks County, Pennsylvania in 1686/7, likely on a William Penn ship.

No other records were found for Dorothy or Deborah Baines so she likely died shortly after the 1660 arrests of her probable husband and son.

But this leads us to another problem with the trees. William was said to have remarried a Sarah Hepworth but no marriage record was found. The couple have been recorded to have three children, James, born 1655, Joseph, 1657, and John/Jonathan, 1658, though Johnathan was likely confused with a son of James.

James, based on court document copies found in a local church, was a devout Quaker like his father William. The court record provided that James had a brother Joseph and they resided next to each other. James had purchased the land from his father, William in May 1685. William had purchased some of the property from his own father, William Sr., in 1651. The eldest William retained partial land as noted by another document that showed 2/3 of his estate was under sequestration in 1653. That portion was likely sold out of the family to John Robinson and Robert Hebblethwaite but was repurchased by grandson James in 1662 and 1677.

We also know that William [Jr.] had a brother named Joseph who was a Quaker. This was also confirmed by another source that noted both men were imprisoned for not paying tithes in 1664 in Sedbergh, Yorkshire.

Many records for William have been found: In 1661 he refused to take an oath, in 1662 he was imprisoned in Yorkshire Castle, he was again imprisoned in Yorkshire Castle in 1664, he paid a hearth tax in Pooley Bridge, Westmorland, near Sedburgh in 1669-1672, he received a fine in 1670 for attending a Quaker meeting, he was brought to court in Richmond for not paying his Easter tithe in 1674, he was imprisoned in Lancaster Castle for nonpayment of tithes in 1675, and returned to Richmond Court in 1675-1676 as a defendant in a case brought by a local minister.

He may or may not be the William who renounced being a Quaker in Lancaster in 1679.

No further records were found for William and he may be the William who was buried on 18 September 1687 in Lancashire, England.

From one additional document regarding an interesting panel in a local church, we are given a further pedigree of William Sr. The earliest Baine in the region was Adam Baines of Hegholme who acquired land in Whinfell in 1428. Adam had a son named William who was living in Hegholme Hall in 1497. William's son Adam inherited a portion of Hegholme known as Gilfoot but sold it before Easter 1546 to John Rigmaden and Anthony Rose. Adam's son was probably John, whose son Thomas Baynes of Hegholme was baptized on 14 December 1544. Adam likely had a second son, Adam [Jr.] who had children Mable, Thomas, and James. Adam's probable third son, William, became the heir of Hegholme after his brothers died. This was the William who was recorded as having a bastard child.

Thus, the correct pedigree for the family is as follows:

Although a William Baines was the father of Mathew Baines who died at sea in 1686/7, it was not likely the William Baines who had sons James and Joseph who lived on what had been Hegholme Hall.

The Mathew of interest's mother was still living when the William of Hegholme married Sarah and had two or three children. Bigamy is not accepted by the Quakers. No divorce record has been found.

If Mathew was the eldest son of William he would have been the son to have purchased Hegholme. An explanation for him not doing so could have been that his wife and three of his five children had died and he wanted a fresh start in the colonies. It is interesting that William sold Hegholme to James in 1685 and Mathew left the following year. It was more likely a coincidence as was the case of a woman named Deborah who happened to live in Bucks County, Pennsylvania and was placed as a daughter of Mathew when she was from a different family line.

Mathew was probably related to the William of Hegholme but not in a father-son relationship. William's brother, Joseph, purportedly purchased land in Bucks County, Pennsylvania where Mathew intended to settle, although I have not found a deed to verify that claim.

The problem here is the records are sketchy, there are too many men with the same name in close locations, who all joined the Quaker faith. Until additional records are located my online tree will not have William of Hegholme as the father of Mathew of Wyersdale.

Saturday, March 15, 2025

Oppose HB 1148.03 – Preserve Access to Indiana’s History

This wasn't my plan for a blog post but I think it's vitally important for everyone interested in family history, whether you live in Indiana or not.

I'm copying the email I sent out to many folks who do live in Indiana yesterday. Even it you don't - this will effect you as records are disappearing. Don't believe me but believing your news source?! Think again. This is a bipartisan attack on all of us and we need to have our voices heard.:

This morning, I became aware of Indiana House Bill 1148.03, which just passed and is headed for the state Senate. I am emailing you because I know you have a deep love of history and genealogy. 

While the bill has been widely framed as addressing gender changes on birth certificates, hidden within its provisions is a major change that threatens the work of genealogists, historians, and all who seek access to historical birth records. Buried on page 10 of the bill is a proposal to extend the restriction on birth certificate access from 75 years to 99 years. This unnecessary change would significantly hinder the ability of genealogists, historians, and researchers to access critical historical records, delaying access for an additional 24 years—nearly an entire generation. 

This same legislative effort was attempted in January 2024 (HB 1365) but failed in committee. Now, it has returned—this time hidden within a broader bill.

Why This Change Must Be Stopped:

✅ A Reversal of Established Access – For decades, the 75-year threshold has balanced privacy concerns with the public’s right to access historical records. Arbitrarily extending the wait to 99 years serves no clear purpose other than restricting access to our collective history.

✅ Hindering Family Research – Birth records are vital for genealogical research, citizenship applications, and historical studies. This change would block access to information for countless individuals seeking to understand their heritage.

✅ A Threat to Historical and Academic Research – Many historical projects rely on birth records to reconstruct community histories, track migration patterns, and verify personal identities. Extending the restriction to 99 years would severely impede research and publication efforts.

✅ No Justification for the Change – There has been no demonstrated need for this increase. Indiana’s current 75-year access aligns with national norms, ensuring transparency while respecting privacy. This bill does not provide a clear reason why an additional 24-year delay is necessary.

Take Action Now

If HB 1148.03 is passed, Indiana will become one of the most restrictive states in the nation regarding historical birth records. We cannot allow this to happen.

I urge you to contact your legislators immediately and demand that they reject this extension to 99 years. Let them know that historians, genealogists, and the public deserve access to their past.

Find your representative and senator here:

Or better yet, copy the list of email addresses and paste them into the "To" field of your email composition window. 

If you prefer, you can call the Indiana Senate at (800) 382-9467 or snail mail them at:

Indiana Senate

200 W. Washington St.

Indianapolis, IN  46204-2786

Please make sure that your message is clear, concise, and respectful because that's who we are.

Together, we can ensure that our history remains accessible to future generations.

Sincerely,

Lori Samuelson, NBCT Emeritus & Genealogist

This is not just Indiana - Records are disappearing. Here are some other situations that need to be addressed immediately:

  1. "An executive order was issued yesterday to reduce the funding for the Institute for Library and Museum Service (https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/03/continuing-the-reduction-of-the-federal-bureaucracy/). This appears likely to reduce grant funding to libraries that, in some states, is being spent on genealogical programming and resources. The current 5-year plan for Massachusetts, for example, includes “Goal 4: Build Thriving Communities - Massachusetts residents will have opportunities to discover and explore their personal and community histories[…].” To learn how money is being sent in your state, go to https://www.imls.gov/find-funding/funding-opportunities/grants-state/state-profiles/massachusetts , swapping in the appropriate state name."
  2. "The other issue that needs attention is the National Archives where the current conversation is about shutting facilities and selling/leasing real estate instead of providing access to records. Please take a moment to read: "
     
    https://fundnara.com/

History SHOULD NOT be erased. We should have access to it and learn from it. Please take a moment to email ALL OF THE Indiana State Senators. Here is a letter you can copy and send:

Subject: Please Vote NO on HB 1148.03

Dear Senator,

I am writing to oppose the provision in HB 1148.03 that would delay public access to birth certificates from 75 years to 99 years. This change serves no clear purpose but blocks access to history for an entire generation.

Birth records are not just for genealogists—they help people reconnect with their family roots, preserve Indiana’s history, and even prove eligibility for heritage societies. The current 75-year rule has worked for decades—why change it now?

Please vote NO on this provision and keep Indiana’s history accessible.

Thank you for your time.

Sincerely,
[Your Name]

I also want you to know that Nextdoor refused to allow me to post the above letter. Said it wouldn't allow "election" information. This has nothing to do with elections - it has to do with the government not working for the people but I guess Nextdoor's view is that's the folks we elected so you get what you voted for.

One more thing - I had someone respond with this: "It is probably related to thousaads of deceased people age 104+ that have been fraudulently collecting Social Security. When you access the birth cert, do you have access to SSN? If not, I'm totally with you."

THIS IS FAKE NEWS! Here was my response:

I appreciate your concern about Social Security fraud, and I want to clarify that this bill has nothing to do with protecting Social Security numbers—those are already not included on publicly available birth certificates. In fact, no identifying personal financial data (like SSNs) are released when historical birth records become public. The current 75-year rule has worked effectively for decades, and there is no evidence that extending it to 99 years would prevent fraud. Instead, this change would only harm genealogists, historians, and everyday Hoosiers who rely on these records to trace family history, apply for heritage societies, and preserve Indiana’s past. This same proposal was already rejected by lawmakers in 2024 (HB 1365), which tells us that there was no compelling reason for this change then—and there isn’t one now. If you’re with me on this, I encourage you to contact your legislators and let them know that this unnecessary restriction should not become law. We need to protect public access to history, not block it.

My husband and I took a few minutes yesterday to email each Indiana state senator. Please do so as soon as possible. 

Saturday, March 8, 2025

The Case of Gerald Longpellow: Separating Fact from Fiction in Pedigrees

 

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Recently I found a pedigree that contained a surname that I've researched in the past - Hollingshead. There was a minimal amount of dates and only some locations but it matched most of what I have found to be true.

My brick wall has always been Hugh Hollinghead but this pedigree goes back further - to 700 AD. WOW - now that's impressive. Or not.

According to this unsourced pedigree, Hugh's daddy was a man named Gerald Longpellow. Gerald was supposedly a son of Edgar Aethling of England.

Surname changes I can accept if there is proof that we have the same person who changed their name but in this case, I find absolutely no mention anywhere of a Gerald Longpellow.

He certainly wasn't the son of Edgar Aethling, whose father was Edward the Exile. Edgar had no children. Perhaps there was an illegitimate one here or there but I don't know that and scholars haven't found any.

What's twisted about this, though, isn't really the mystery of who Gerald was or wasn't. I had to laugh because, as I've been blogging about for the past few weeks, I've heavily been researching the Baines family. Although this pedigree does not mention any Baines family it indirectly does.

Edward the Exile had a daughter known at Saint Margaret of Scotland; she was then the sister of Edgar Aethiling.

St. Margaret was purportedly born in Hungary but went back with her parents and siblings to Great Britain. She married Malcolm III of Scotland. Malcolm's sibling was Donald III of Scotland, the head of the Baine family in which I was researching. Love when things connect up, well, even if in this case, they really don't.

Be careful of the pedigrees that you discover. They are helpful but unfortunately, unlike family group sheets, do not lend to having sources available. 

Saturday, March 1, 2025

Turning Genealogy Research Into Rich Narratives

 

Every January, I set a new genealogy goal. This year, I challenged myself to transform decades of family research into engaging narratives—a goal as exciting as it was intimidating. I found myself wondering: Where should I begin? Should I start at my own story or dive into the farthest reaches of my ancestry, where brick walls often appear? How best to organize it all—by region, period, or perhaps by keeping different family lines separate? Once organized, what’s the ideal format: an eBook, a physical volume, or something entirely different?

I took the plunge in January and ended up self-publishing two family books. I’m now working on a third, with a fourth possibility on the horizon. Yet amid the progress, one thing lingers—I wished I'd discovered Doug Tattershall’s Storytelling for Genealogists – Turning Family Lineage into Family History sooner.

Doug’s book is a delightful, practical guide filled with creative ideas and actionable tips. With a background in journalism, he cuts straight to the heart of the matter: while meticulous research and accurate record-keeping are essential, they alone won’t preserve your family’s legacy. The true magic lies in writing compelling stories that breathe life into your ancestors. I especially appreciated his thoughtful examples for making people’s lives memorable and his sensitive approach to ethically sharing delicate family details.

For anyone feeling daunted by the prospect of writing family histories, Doug’s work is a must-read. By the end of this engaging and accessible book, you’ll not only gain confidence in your ability to craft captivating narratives, but you’ll also learn strategies that can help turn a mountain of research into a legacy that lives on for generations.

I do have one regret: I could have benefited immensely from the short planning guide included in the back of the book. It’s a reminder that just as we plan our research strategies—especially when confronting those stubborn brick walls—we should also plan our storytelling approach.

Whether your family’s memories are best captured on paper or through auditory storytelling, Doug offers creative ideas for every style. I’ve already recommended his book to several colleagues who had been hesitating to start their own writing journeys. If you’re ready to preserve your family history in a way that truly resonates, I encourage you to check out Doug Tattershall’s guide—available through Genealogical.com.

Saturday, February 22, 2025

Using AI with Legacy Family Tree


 Tech, you've got to keep adapting! Last year I wrote a blog article in comparing how to get AI to write a wonderful narrative from your research stored in various places - like Legacy Family Tree, Family Tree Maker, RootsMagic, etc.

I just completed a Pioneer application for my husband and since I had been researching 5 generations of the family, decided to write a narrative about each generation. I wanted to use ChatGPT to help with the writing.

I tried to follow my own blog advice to go to Legacy Family Tree>Other Reports>Individual Summary but realized that Version 10 does not have that option any longer.

I tried finding where it was relocated through Legacy Help and through a general Google search and got nowhere.

I turned to ChatGPT and located my original prompt. It saves your work if you allow it to on the left hand side of the screen. Problem was, the file I uploaded had a long title and I couldn't read exactly what it was. I create titles based on my own formula so I can always go back to the original source. This usually works until, like now, it doesn't because I couldn't view the entire title. So, I asked ChatGPT and was informed that the .pdf had expired and it couldn't access it, either.

I then chatted about my problem and it told me that the report was renamed and moved. So, if you are using Legacy Family Tree and want to download an ancestor's information to use with AI, here's the new How To:

Click on the Ancestor. In my case it was Samuel Ericksson

Click on "Descendant Narrative Book" on the Ribbon.

In the Pop Up, adjust the "Generations." I just wanted one generation.

Click "Preview"

Click "Create PDF" and there is what you had before they changed the name of the report and the location where it resided. You can copy and paste it into your favorite AI and get a much richer narrative of your family.

Saturday, February 15, 2025

The Lawsuite of Chapel Salary

 


As I've blogged recently about Mathew Baines and the Christopher Wood Panel in a church, I'd like to share a very informative court case that pitted James Baines, a Quaker landowner against the local Church of England minister. Both appeared to be stubborn men who would not give up their belief about their rights. Here is a summary of the extended court case:

The following account was taken from the Reverend Canon Ware, M.A. who addressed the Society at Seascale on 25 September 1884 regarding a lawsuit over the curate’s salary in Killington, Kikrby Lonsdale, in the 1600s.[1] Rev. Ware had received a collection of old papers from the Rev. R. Fisher. Rev. Ware had first learned of the papers from Rev. Fisher’s predecessor, Rev. H. V. Thompson.

The lawsuit was brought by the curate[2] of the Chapel, William Sclater [Slayter/Slater], who claimed he was due 5 shillings and 10 pence annually from Joseph Baynes Sr and 2 shillings and 8 pence annually from James Baynes, both of Stangerthwaite, Lancashire for messuages and tenements or land.[3] Others named in the suit were Thomas Alexander, Thomas Story, and Samuel Parrett. All were Quakers.

The case was first heard at Moot Hall, Kendal on 11 January 1696.[4] Lawyers for the defendants were Allan Chambre, William Corke, and Robert Kilner, along with gentlemen Anthony and Charles Saule.[5] The gentlemen were included based on a Commission under the Great Seal of England executed under Statute 43 Elizabeth (1601) entitled “An Act to Redress the Misemployment of Lands, Goods, and Stocks of Money Heretofore Given to Charitable Uses.”[6]

Fourteen men were summoned to serve as jurors. They were sworn in concerning the statute and commission. All agreed that “An Ancient Chappell” (sic) in good repair in Hamlett Township aka Chappellry of Killington in the parish of Kirkby Lonsdale had and was being used for divine service and sermons by the curate who brought the suit. All jurors also agreed that from their earliest memories, an annual sum of money or rent was customarily paid by landowners or tenants to whoever held the curate position. Commonly the sum was divided equally in half with the first payment due at Lamas (sic) and the second payment on the feast of the purification of the blessed Virgin Mary.[7] The curate received the funds as part of his salary the Sunday following both holidays.

It was agreed that Thomas Story had not made his payments for the 12 years that he owned or occupied his land at Bendrigg, Killington.[8] There is no explanation as to why curate Sclater waited 12 years to take the man to court so he might obtain his salary.

Witnesses were called and seem to be the oldest inhabitants of the area. Thomas Hebblethwaite of Killington, age about 56, after being sworn in, recalled that the Chapel had been in existence for at least 50 years as he attended school and divine services there, but he did not know when the chapel had been built. Hebblethwaite noted that several men over 80 years of age believed it became a parochial location “very near” 120 years earlier.[9]

Hebblethwaite had heard from several older men, including his father Robert who had died 9 years earlier (1687) and had been over 82 years old at the time of his death (birth about 1605) that a salary, called a stipend, for the preacher was paid annually by the owners or occupiers within the township. This included demesne [10] of Manor Houses.  An exception was the manor known as Killington Hall who was thought had been the original family that had given the land for the chapel to be built with space provided for their family’s burial. Since the family had likely donated the land, they were exempted from paying the annual salary to the curate.

This custom was honored until the Quakers were established in Killington about 1663. Landowners not of the Quaker faith continued to pay the curate but Quakers did not. Also noted was mortgaged land beginning in 1607 included terms mentioning the annual salary.[11]

Hebblethwaite also recalled in 1666, carpenter James Taylor, a moderate Quaker purchased land from Richard Hilton in Killington near the Chapel. Hilton showed Taylor his deed from 1625 which stated the tithe was not of corn but of a half peck of meal on silver.[12] Taylor decided to sell the land in 1687 to Quaker John Holme, inserting the tithe clause in the newly written deed. Holme refused to agree to the clause, and it was stricken. Holme later sold the land to Quaker John Bradley; that deed did not include the clause. Bradley returned to Holme after purchasing the land when Bradley learned about the tithe. Holme told Bradley all Killington inhabitants should withhold paying the tithe and it was alleged that Quakers James Baines and John Windson destroyed the original deed noting the required tithe.

The court’s decision was held on 14 June 1697 with the questioning noted for Jos. Baynes, James Baynes, Alexander and Storey. The defendants were ordered to pay the annual sums in arrears and court costs. The curate was permitted to enter and distrain, meaning he could physically go to the property and seize belongings to obtain his due payment. Not surprisingly, the defendants appealed the verdict.

Slayter vs. Jacobum (Jacob) Baynes, Exceptions to the Decree of the Commissioners of Pious Uses, James Baynes noted the following reasons for the appeal:

  1. The controversy began with the Bishop of Chester which is out of the current jurisdiction.
  2. The jury in the first trial had insufficient evidence, notably that the chapel was “ancient,” never consecrated, and curates salary was never due.
  3. Information was not found as to how the yearly rent amounts were established, and they may have been intended to be a (one time) gift for charitable use.
  4. William Baynes, father of James Baynes, purchased the property 46 years earlier (1651) from William’s father, James Baynes. Grandson James Baynes purchased land from John Robinson of Kirkby Kendall about 1677 and from Robert Hebblethwaite (deceased) about 1662. In May 1685, James Baynes purchased the land his father William had bought from his father, James, in 1651. The current owner, James Baynes, stated his father never paid the tithe nor told his son about it.
  5. There is no proof that the tithe was anything more than a custom or a free voluntary contribution of benevolence.
  6. James did not believe the Commissioners had the authority to execute a verdict for noncompliance since it couldn’t be proven that a permanent, inheritable tithe was legitimate and therefore, the curate could not be allowed to seize property for nonpayment.
  7. James also claimed that the curate did not incur expenses that would be passed on to him.
  8. There was a question of procedural validity of the court filing by the commissioners.
  9. The decree was deemed too vague as it did not specify what portion of the property was liable for the yearly payments. Without clear land identification, the decree was flawed and should have been nullified, the heirs released from obligation, and they should be compensated for the court’s errors.

The Rev. Ware found a rough draft of the Answers to Defendants Exception, which was the curate’s counter argument.[13] He claimed the defendants were properly notified but failed to comply and were objecting to stall the case. He requested that the court enforce the decree and further penalize the defendants for their noncompliance. The curate maintained that in the previous trial the defendant’s attorneys contested the evidence regarding the chapel’s consecration and antiquity, the historical obligation to pay the tithe, and the noncompliance by Quakers who claimed they were conscientious objectors. He alleged that James Baynes was one of the prominent Quaker leaders who was behind the idea to resist payment.

The curate provided old rent rolls as further evidence that the ancient, voluntary agreement was valid and applicable to continue. He acknowledged he could not precisely identify the defendant’s lands or boundaries.

It was pointed out that James Baynes was aware of the salary obligation when he purchased land from John Robinson, as Robinson had testified that he had complied with the obligations when he owned the property.

The curate requested that the court required James Baynes to produce his deeds as it was likely that the deeds did contain reference to the salary obligation. The curate claimed James had fraudulently exchanged land with his brother to obscure ownership:

“he (Joseph) has beene sometimes exchanging pticular Lands or Closes with one James Baynes his Brother who had several grounds which lye contiguous thereto, so yt the Lands and Tenemts of the sd Exceptant and the sd James Baynes may be promiscuously till’d and enjoy’d together in Hotch pott nor can be discover’d but by the st Exceptant and his sd Bror or one of them.”[14] This is an interesting statement as it implies that James and Joseph’s father, William, had died intestate and that they were dividing up his land equally which had been given the property to one during his lifetime.

Finally, the curate maintained that James was dragging the case as he had knowledge that the curate had limited financial resources to endure a long legal battle.

On 24 October 1699 Joseph Baynes Sr. petitioned Sr. John Trevor, Master of the Rolls, alleging bias in favor of the curate.[15] A certified copy of Bishop Chadderton’s Grant was given as evidence about the rights and obligations to Killington Chapel. A translation follows:[16]

“To all Christ's faithful to whom these present letters shall come or whom the matters written below concern or may concern in any way in the future, William, by divine mercy Bishop of Chester, sends greetings in the Author of salvation.

A grave complaint and humble petition has been presented to us by the inhabitants and residents of Killington and Furthbank, in the parish of Kirkby Lonsdale, in our Diocese of Chester. They have demonstrated that, because they are situated and distant from the said parish church by ten, nine, eight, seven, or at least six thousand paces, they are unable to carry the bodies of their dead to the said parish church for burial or to bring their children there for baptism without great danger to both soul and body. Nor can they attend divine services or receive the sacraments and sacramentals there, as Christians are expected and obliged to do by law, due to the distance, the frequent flooding of waters, and the storms that rage in the winter season in those parts, except with great expense, labor, trouble, and inconvenience.

For these reasons, they have humbly petitioned us to grant a license and faculty so that in the chapel situated within the territory or manor of Killington and Furthbank, commonly called Killington Chapel, divine services may be celebrated, sacraments administered, and everything pertaining to divine worship conducted there by a suitable curate or chaplain hired at their own expense and salary. These services should be provided in the same ample manner and form as in the parish church of Kirkby Lonsdale.

Therefore, we, William, by divine mercy Bishop of Chester, being the ordinary of the said parish church of Kirkby Lonsdale as well as of the chapel of Killington, favor the petition of the said inhabitants of Killington and Furthbank, especially as we understand it to tend toward the honor and increase of divine worship. Accordingly, we grant and impart our license and faculty so that in the said chapel called Killington Chapel, situated within the bounds and limits of the manor of Killington and Furthbank, divine services may be celebrated, sacraments and sacramentals administered, marriages solemnized, and the bodies of the dead buried in the same chapel or its cemetery. And the inhabitants of the said hamlet or manor may freely and lawfully hear and partake in these services and activities as freely and amply as they now or recently have done in the parish church of Kirkby Lonsdale.

We grant this license and faculty by the tenor of these presents, to the extent that it is within our authority and lawful power, both for ourselves and our successors. Provided that...

This is a true copy of the license or faculty, at least of what remains of the license or faculty, granted to the inhabitants of Killington and Furthbank, as written in the public register of the Lord Bishop of Chester and recorded therein. A faithful collation with the same copy and faculty written in the said register was made on October 26, Anno Domini 1699.

By me, Henry Prescott, Notary Public, Deputy Registrar.”

The case continued on 23 November 1699 both sides had agreed to examine witnesses, however, one of the curate’s commissioners, Mr. Husband, missed the court date due to a wedding. Although the curate and his witnesses attended, objections by Baynes prevented the commission from going forward.

The next agreed upon court date was 7 December 1699. The curate’s counsel, Josias Lambert, presented the court with costs incurred. The next court date for the witness’s testimony was scheduled for January 1669.

On 18 January 1699, the curate William Sclater was arrested by Charles Saule in Kendal over a debt of 150 pounds. The curate had been attending a commission of ongoing common law cases there.[17] The curate believed this was an attempt to disrupt the Commission’s proceedings, so he instructed his lawyers to have Saule and Nicholas Atkinson, court bailiff, arrested for their actions. The Master of Rolls agreed on 2 March 1699. But Saule had fled and could not be found. Questions then arose regarding his disappearance. Had he been collaborating with the Quakers? Was he overzealous in regard to the case? Or, was their some financial interests involved? 

On 11 February 1700 the next hearing occurred. The curate argued that he had the right to arrears and payments but feared stating exactly what his court cost reimbursement request was believing that James Baynes would continue to exploit the system by requesting further hearings. The curate asked that the court minutes record that he can recover costs and that no further delays will occur.

The Lord Keeper agreed to the curate’s request on 20 March 1700.[18]

On 21 March 1701, the Lord Keeper ruled in favor of the curate and offered James Baynes to cover his legal expenses unless he could present a compelling reason to not do so by the next term.

Thus ended the drawn-out legal battle regarding the curate’s salary. Sclater received partial payment for arrears and released Bayne and others from further costs and obligations. Interestingly, William Sclater became the Clarke Preacher of Killington in 1677 and retained the position until his burial on 15 February 1724. He was succeeded by his son, William, who continued until his death on 20 December 1778.

For the descendants of James Baines, the case provided a wonderful genealogy of his sibling, father, and grandfather.


[1] Ware, Rev. Canon, Art. CI. - Killington, Kirkby Lonsdale, its Chapel Salary No. 1. Vol. 8, 1886. Pp. 93-108, digital image; archaeologydataservice.ac.uk:  accessed 26 December 2024.

[2] Curate - a minister with pastoral responsibility.

[3] Messuage -  dwelling house with outbuildings and land assigned to its use.

Tenement - a piece of land held by an owner.

[4] During this time, the year began on March 25th and not January 1st.

[5] Gentlemen – men of noble birth

[6] A commission under the Great Seal of England refers to an official document that is authorized by the British monarchy and stamped with the Great Seal, signifying the highest level of royal approval and authenticity for important state matters.

[7] Lammas, or Loaf Mass Day, is a Roman Catholic feast day on August 1. The loaf refers to the Eucharist. In the British Isles there were four quarter days with Lammas as the first, followed by All Saints (Nov. 1), Candlemas (Feb. 2) and May Day (May 1). Candlemas was the feast of purification of the blessed Virgin Mary.

[8] Since 1684.

[9] Parochial – relating to a church parish. Likely built about 1576.

[10] Demesne – land attached to the manor that the owners retain for their personal u

[11] 5th Year of the reign of King James I was 1607.

[12] Reign of Charles I began 1625.

A peck is an imperial unit of dry volume equivalent to 2 dry gallons.

Meal – ground up grain as opposed to an ear of corn.

[13] Foul draught – rough draft

[14] Hotch Pott – the bringing together of shares or properties in order to divide them equally, esp. when they are to be divided among the children of a parent dying intestate. The collecting of property so that it may be redistributed in equal shares, esp on the intestacy of a parent who has given property to a child in his or her lifetime.

[15] Master of the Rolls is a high-ranking judge or British official.

[16] Translation from Latin to English by Chatgpt, 28 December 2024.

[17] Petty Bag – an archaic law term meaning records for common lawsuits kept in a bag.

[18] Lord Keeper is an officer of the English Crown was responsible for the physical custody of the Great Seal of England.

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